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ICNA's Position on Moon Sighting

ICNA's Position on Moon Sighting

Aug 8, 2009

 

JAMAICA, New York (Aug 8, 2009) – Instead of making any moon sighting decisions, the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) has decided to guide its members and the general Muslim community to celebrate the beginning of the month of Ramadan and the Eid holidays with their local masajid, communities and Islamic centers. 

ICNA would like to see more harmony and unity among the Muslim community at a local level. We hope that American Muslims will observe the month of Ramadan & the Eid holidays with full piety and dignity—making dawah to our neighbors, co-workers and friends as we embrace this joyous season.
We pray that Allah (SWT) showers you and your families with blessings. Please keep us in your prayers and accept our warmest congratulations on this blessed occasion!

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shahzad
shahzad
11 years ago

Salam
To show unity is the most important spirit in all our prayers which unfortunately has been a problem amongst muslims in north america .As ICNA decieded to be more flexible in this matter but we still want to know what is right in the light of Muhammad’s ( PBUH) teachings

Mushahid
Mushahid
11 years ago

Salam Brs and Srs,
Ramadan Mubarak.
The first thing we have to figure it out, in my opinion, is, or let me put it this way, the biggest question is ” Should we relate Unity to Moon sighting or to celebrate EID one day?” If v look back v dont c any examples at the time of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) or ammong sahabas, that they were worried about unity and moon sighting because history tells us they conquer more then half of the world sighting moon locally and starting ramadan and praying eid prayers according to their local moon sighting.That’s what I think but I also think that things can be done differently here in USA, without crossing the lines but for that we have to work very hard and in my opinion the first best thing to do is start showing up in our masajids for 5 times prayers like we go for Jummah and start getting to know each other better.
Masslam and Fi Amaanillah

Saffiyeh
Saffiyeh
11 years ago

yes i understand the convenience of celebrating our holidays on a local level. However it is Sunnah to determine fasting from sighting the moon, or make a 30th day of shabaan if the moon is not visible. This is our Islamic custom, and part of our Muslim identity. We should fast if we see our ‘Local sighting” in my opinion

doost4you
doost4you
11 years ago

why we spend Ramadan in fasting? for the sake of ALLAH, so now why we are arguging all the time for moon, why we dont forget our differences and get together and decide when start Ramadan Karem all together and spend eid on same day, why we can’t forget our differnce and unite and show the true face of Islam to non muslims and tell them how organized and well behaved we are, instead of doing any good deeds we start our holy months with problems, come on guys and our all ULAMA’s get united and give us a peace.

Nabeel
Nabeel
11 years ago

This is a very good descision. Instead of confusing people it is a very good suggestion to guide them to follow their local mosques.

Mohammed
Mohammed
11 years ago

NASA has been to the moon but we muslims are fighting for the moon. Please act like true muslims.

doost4you
doost4you
11 years ago

same thing in local masques, they called each other u are wahabi, ur hanfi ur this and u r that, why we can’t be muslim why we fight for moon, just follow MAKKAH if they called ramadan so its ramadan go with thier decission and if the do wrong, they are going to be judge on the day of judgement but atleast we all will be on same page on every occassion, and world will know that this day is the starting of Ramadan and this is the day of eid…………….and easy to represent ISLAM to non muslims

Shakil Ahmed
Shakil Ahmed
11 years ago

Salaamualaikum…
Everyone refers to celebrating Eid according to their local areas… This works for Islamic countries, but in the west where the muslim community is from the whole world this does not work.
What is local? In populated areas, there are mashallah lots of mosques.. A mosque in one block starts Ramazan today, the mosque 10 blocks away is still thinking, and awaiting guidance from their ‘mothership’ mosque….
What we really need is ‘local committees’ with members from all nationalities that reside in the area… and then decide on Ramadaan/Eid for the whole state/county/city regardless of national origins of the managements of the mosques…. so that all mosques within a county celebrate Eid on the same day.

Majid
Majid
11 years ago

I am really disappointed by the ICNA’s decision on moon sighting. With due respect, can I ask why is it always so difficult to follow sunnah and Quran? One of my brother here said that we should follow saudia? My question is why? Are we following them for salat too, or anybody heard or read a hadith which instruct us to do so?
I don’t understand why the simplest method of sighting the moon with the naked eye cannot be followed which is by the way told in hadith. We used to Follow ICNA for moonsighting as they were following the correct method. Why the people following the sunnah are blamed for creating disunity and not those who are actually doing innovations in deen.Please follow this link and you’d understand my point if I am not clear here.
http://www.hilalsighting.org/papers/HilalSightingReportCaliforniaConference.pdf

Muslim
Muslim
11 years ago
Reply to  Majid

I totally disagree with the ICNA decision. Instead of making it easy, now we will have more difficulties and disputes. May Allah guide us to follow Quran and Sunnah of our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH)

khan
khan
11 years ago

Salam to all
May Allah guide us to the right path & unite us following Quran & Sunnah not the innovations(Calculations or Mecca based)unless this is approved by Jamhoor E Ulemma as Ijmaa(Joint decision of Islamic orgs not just one.
There are evidences & facts that our beloved Prophet(in Mecca/Madina), His caliphs after His death & in Islamic History: All Islamic/Lunar months, Events(Fastings: Ashura, Arafa,13-15th Shaabaan)& EIDS:Fitr & Adha)were observed according to LOCAL Moonsighting ONLY or 30 days month if moon not sighted for other reasons BUT not calculations or not Mecca Based. This is confirmed by many respectable Islamic websites,Fatwaas, Ulemmas and Islamic organisations.

Asrar Ahmad Niaz
Asrar Ahmad Niaz
11 years ago

Assalamo Alaikum.If we leave decisions to local masajid we will have scores of differences as our so called imams are in a way making them to be prominent by calling others kafirs as they pray in other masjid.This is an incident which happened in Calgary AB which I heard.ICNA should try to educate people for appointing as imams so that they are not like frogs of a well.Wassalam & Allah hafiz.

Muzammil Ahmed
Muzammil Ahmed
11 years ago

Assalaamu Alaikum,
As muslims, we do need to understand what is required from us. We are nothing but slaves to commands of ALLAH (SWT) and He commands us to follow His book and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Local Moonsighting:
1. Who decides the boundary of local area? A municipal city, a district, a state or a country?
2. What about USA which constitutes four time zones (5th for Alaska too)? When one sights moon in California, its almost midnight in New York? Should New Yorker wait for California to announce?
3. If boundaries are not defined by Islam, who should?
Global Moonsighting:
1. Why today’s Muslims think unity is important while the history tells us during the era of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Sahaba Karaam; Madina and Makkah used to have two Islamic calendars?
2. If Muslims in North America follow Saudia in the name of Global Moonsighting; why Saudia doesn’t follow others for Global Moonsighting? This year, Libya start fasting on Aug 21. Why Saudia didn’t follow or Muslims (who believe in Global Moonsighting) didn’t follow?
3. There can’t be a single Eid in the whole world. Its just geography of the world. While people in CA sight moon, sub-continent had already done its sahar! (think about it).
One thing I strictly oppose is astronomical calculations. To sight a moon is Sunnah and we should not forget this Sunnah.
Regards,

Mahmood Aijazi
Mahmood Aijazi
11 years ago

Insha Allah it will be a good decision in the long run.

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

Several years ago, ISNA and ICNA agreed to have FIQH council of North America decide the announcement of Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.
However, during that time, some of the local mosques continued to follow the local moon sighting methodology, as such continued to do it on different date.
It is predominant in the context of the sub-continent and my personal experience dealing with some of the over zealous muslim brothers, to have this “I am a superior muslim than others” arrogance. Unless, we focus on the unity, we will continue to have this issue. To me it is extremely political and based on individual egos. In Islam, Allah is the greatest baptizer, we choose who will lead the prayer and I refuse to stand behind a person, who insight hatred, who thinks he is a superior muslim than anyone else, etc. The whole ICNA and ISNA charade is pathetic to say the least.

khan
khan
11 years ago

Salam
As I mentioned earlier there is evidence that pbuh,His Caliphs & Islamic countries celebrated according to Sunnah-local moon-sighting ONLY(not calculations,not mecca hilaal).
I urge that all international Ulemma, scholars,Muftis must hold an a conference in Mecca/Madina as these are center-point for us. They must pass an international fatwa/ruling ‘Ijma’ that must be followed by all over the world as one Umma. They must discuss 3 options mostly followed by muslims: Local Hilaal moon-sighting(sunnah), or Calculation assist, or Mecca Hilaal as Kaaba-mecca is center-point in all regards(Islamic & Geographical).
Remember that Allah and pbuh, made the rules for all muslims over the world from center point(Mecca-Madinah) not local muslims like ICNA,ISNA, FCNA,hilaal committees(Cheap Competition). WallahuAlam.

mirza aftab
mirza aftab
11 years ago

I am totally agree with ICNA position on moon sighting, they are trying to solve the problem not making problems. Jazak Allah

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

Rasool-e-Pak (SAW)(PBUH)in his last sermon stated that
“….Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things. ….“
He also stated that donot bring compulsion to your religion. However, the more I study the religion by myself, the more I realize the interpretation of some of our local leaders to be convoluted and is based strictly on personal ego or bigotry against say Arab or a woman leader (case in point ISNA). In their effort to prove that they are the most learned and righteous (more self-righteous than anything else) they will follow everyone except the simple norm as to what the Prophet would have done given the situation. Our leaders will use technology for almost everything from using microphone, to internet to spread the message, but will not use technology for the purpose of determining the moon. I rest my case about the “self-righteous”, “I am a better muslim than anyone else” mentality.

Muzammil Ahmed
Muzammil Ahmed
11 years ago

Assalaamu Alaikum,
Brothers please read this and try to understand and answer. I asked this earlier and no one came up with an answer or reply!
For those who believe Muslims should follow Saudia; Saudi clock lags to Beijing clock by 5 hrs. So you say, a Muslim in Beijing should wait until 1AM for Saudia to announce?
For those who believe Muslims should follow local moon-sighting; who defines a local area?
These are very valid questions and no one here seems to have an answer. Then why discuss? We don’t know a bit of Islamic knowledge and we’re saying I don’t want to pray behind a Muslim who is a hatred! C’mon, atleast that person got more knowledge and yes, he’s superior. Don’t you agree that ‘Taqwaa’ has it ‘darajaat’! And these ‘darajaat’ determine where you stand in the eyes of ALLAH (SWT). Please try to make this discussion valuable by putting down material, not your own opinions driven from your childhood stories!!! And using teachnology; yes there’s no harm. But why eating with hands is called a Sunnah! Do I need to say the rest!!!
In the last, I would say, at-least those who try to sight moon locally are following Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PHUH). Don’t you guys agree?
Regards,

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

I think the whole ICNA, ISNA etc. are all political not based on someone being superior. It is based on individual ego. It started after the death of the Prophet (PBUH) and still continues..
As a muslim I have the option to chose who I want to pray behind. By refusing to pray behind a person (this is in Connecticut) I am not inticing hatred, all I am saying is people like him is dividing the society and I donot want to pray behind him. I chose a jamat that is not just “Pakistani” or “arab” but of muslims of north America praying to Allah. So, you stay with your “superior” branding and let me try to submit myself to the Almighty.

syed elahi
syed elahi
11 years ago

I am very much disappointed at ICNA’s decision about moonsighting. There should be a forum who will explain the truth and will help people to make right decision.

Muhammad
Muhammad
11 years ago

Ass Alaikum,
I think the whole problem is ISNA and ICNA who want to dominate the rest of Muslims in North America. First they brought the idea of moonsighting by calculation which is not based on the Koran and Sunnah. They say they want to unite the muslims and as a result muslims become more divided.
Since the time Abdullahi Ibnu Abbas in Madina decided not to follow Mu’awa in Damascus to finish Ramadan, muslims have been fasting Ramadan according to their local moon sighting and they lived with it. Now, what is complicating this issue is a few astronomists with ISNA and ICNA who want to decide for us when we are fasting for the Almighty. The Prophet, may peace and blessing be upon him, gave us clear instructions when it comes to fasting: Fast if you see the new cresent, if not complete the month. Where is the argument? where is the Ijtihad? There mare more that 25 authentic hadiths of the Prophet may peace and blessing be upon him. But unfortunately, ISNA and ICNA do not get it. They just don’t get it. Inorder to unite the muslim stay with The Koran and Sunnah. Period.

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

Again, let me repeat what I said in the past. About 2 years ago, ICNA and ISNA both left it on FIQH council.
2 years ago it was not good enough for one (among few) Imam that we know. That was the last time I prayed behind him. Because he was totally against the FIQH council’s decision. Now, who started the division then? Tell me?
Secondly, the day ISNA had a woman president, ICNA started opposing it.
We have been on the receiving end of this type of innuendos on many occassions. This “self-righteousness” is what is ruing the fabric of unity.
You keep focusing on “your are right and rest of the world is wrong” and I will try to stay away from people like you! This “self-righteous” leaders can’t even keep their own children in the path of Islam!

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

And someone mentioned in prior post that in the event moon is not sighted then make Shaban 30 days. With this particual “self-proclaimed (in my honest opinion)” Imam he had gone to the extent where because he did not listen to anyone else, Shaban may have been 31 days because of his stubborness.
Now, according to him, at least, he came across that way to me, he knows everything and rest of the muslim world know nothing. So, do we want leaders like this? Unfortunately, there will continue to be “extremist” that our beloved prophet (PBUH) had warned against in his last sermon. Unfortunately, in our local mosques they are the one with the microphones.

Mohamme Kabir
Mohamme Kabir
11 years ago

If Rasulullah(SAWS)was present today’s date, what would be his standing about sighting the moon. He always suggested the best possible way at that time. Which way has more confusion? Sighting or Calculating? Allah has asked us to use Sun and Moon to determine our time, so why we can not use time to detrmine their position? Do we have to see the sun’s position before prayer or we just look at the clock and we know for sure where the sun is! Allah did not mean hardship on us by giving the religion, It is us who is making it harder for ourself.

khan
khan
11 years ago

The ICNA, ISNA etc. are all political & Cultural organizations not based or not affiliated with the recognized religious orgs. around the world(eg. in Saudi/Asia).
FCNA is similar too with no affiliation.
How can these orgs make fatwas/ruling about the Islamic events without Ijma or approval of major recognized Muslim orgs of the world.????

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

@Mohammed Kabir.. I agree with his reasoning
@khan.. You mean to tell me the people within ICNA and ISNA and FIQH councils don’t know anything.. but you know everything? You are continously proving to me the danger of “Self-righteousness”. It is unfortunate that the religion of Peace, the religion of truth is held hostage by a select few in our local mosques. These self-righteousness is the most dangerous aspect of the religion. Again, you will have the last say, you know everything, you are superior!

Syed Warsi
Syed Warsi
11 years ago

Assalam-o-alaykum,
This will lead to disunity within ICNA itself. Untill now ICNA at least had an opinion (right or wrong) but now it has exposed its workers and followers to disnintegrate. In the same town and city different ICNA followers will be celebrating at different days. So where is the unity now. Another problem is that by doing so ICNA in effect is saying that they know better than what Quran and Sunnah dictates since for this kind of decision the reasoning is not Quran or Sunnah. Is the leadership of ICNA capable of understanding the effects of this decision.

Aqeela
Aqeela
11 years ago

Salaam to all.
I have read ICNA’s stance as well as all of the responses. Let us be clear that this issue of calculation vs moonsighting has been going on since the earliest times in Islam. Let us also be clear that sighting the moon is a sunnah not a fard. In fact, proponents for calculations quote several Quranic verses which do have merit. As such we should put it into perspective and not allow this issue to further cause disunity. It is my observation that many many people are willing to judge each other and argue with each other due to difference of opinion of hadith while not knowing much about the word of God (Quran) or the essence of our Deen.It is unfair to blame ICNA’s position on moonsighting. In the end we are all responsible for what we do and we should each do what we believe to be right.
Ma’salama

Salman Shaikh, Ph.D.
Salman Shaikh, Ph.D.
11 years ago

ISNA “Calculations” are basically moonset after sunset in Makkah. This does NOT imply Hilal visibility in USA Nor in Makkah and hence incorrect! Correct Calculations and Actual Sighting can go hand in hand with Calculations used to negate errors, using the brilliant Fatwa of Mufti Taqi Usmani, which requires “Jamme Ghafeer” or large number of positive witnesses for postive decision, not only in the case of clear skies but also the case of Astronomical impossibility.
For details please see http://www.hilalsighting.org/papers/salman.pdf and beome a member of Hilal Sighting Committee of North America at http://www.hilalsighting.org website Insha’Allaah.
May Allaah SWT guide all Ummah to Haq and Khayr. Aameen.
Salman Shaikh, Ph.D.
Coordinator, Hilal Sighting Committee of North America
http://www.hilalsighting.org

Faisal Ahmad
Faisal Ahmad
11 years ago

Having Ramadan and Eid on one day is a noble goal. We should embrace Eid on one day and not have 2-3 eids. Its a simple goal and lets keep it simple.
May Allah show us the right path and guide us and not let us make things unnecessarily complicated. Ameen!

Zeeshan
Zeeshan
11 years ago

If there is anything wrong with calculation for moonsighting then why we are following calendars for praying salat?
Please watch a very nice video speech delievered by Sheikh Ul Islam Dr Tahir Ul Qadri about this serious topic of moon sighting.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6688154867507516055#
Rest Allah and His Prophet PBUH knows better.

Syed Ahmed
Syed Ahmed
11 years ago

Salaam alikum,
For those who are in favor of moon sighting and argue that its Sunnah to look for the Ramadan and Eid moon, I have a simple question for them. Do they go out and look at the Sun and stars alignment for all five prayers of the day or do they have a schedule with times handed to them from from their Masjid for the whole year. If the answer is later, then they are not practicing Sunnah rather going with scientific method and using calculations. Even for the remaining year they are going with calculations and not Moon sighting….
In my basic understanding, unity in the Muslim community is the focal point hence there is more Thawab in going to the masjid than praying at home. If we could unify over calculation method, we could go to our local governments and demand for a national holiday for Eid and Baqar-Eid. Since every part of US is starting Ramadan on different days and cannot unify on this simple issue, we cannot expect the local and federal govt. to give us a national holiday.
Jazak-Allah

abu hamza waggeh
abu hamza waggeh
11 years ago

salam my fellow muslims, this Is very easy.Allah made his deen easy and completed it 1400 ago.we all know what the prophet did when ramadan was approaching.the moon is out there for those who follow the sunnah of rasuul.

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

وَسَخَّرَ لَكُمُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ وَالنُّجُومُ مُسَخَّرَاتٌ بِأَمْرِهِ ۗ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ
[Sura An-Nahl Verse 12]
He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.

Azim Fahmi
Azim Fahmi
11 years ago

وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَٰكِنْ يُضِلُّ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَلَتُسْأَلُنَّ عَمَّا كُنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ
Sura An-nahl 93
“If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: but He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.”
So true even in the context of Muslim Ummah Alone

khan
khan
11 years ago

Allah & Prophets are Superior not me/you & not us. May the Almighty guide us (All Muslims) & we follow Quran, Hadith and Sunnah? ICNA,ISNA and FCNA are neither affiliated to any major approved international Islamic organization nor they are branches.
Prayer/Sawm times are SOLAR based (according to the movement of the earth in relation to the Sun). Clocks/Watches are approved by major organizations (eg: Umm Al-Qura of Saudi Arabia).
Islamic Calendar is LUNAR based (according to the movement of the moon in relation to earth). Plus Hilaal: sighting of crescent.(Quran(10:5)(2:185),Sunnah & Caliphs of Islam(Islamic History).
Unity is not defined any where in Islam as doing Eids together based on some organization not affiliated with other major international Islamic institute. Let us first achieve consensus of major International Scholars about this issue. WallahuAlam.
Muslims must unite based on Quran , Sunnah and Hadiths not the innovations/inventions in Islam. We cannot fix our Eids by innovations for holiday in West as Non Muslims.
Prophet(pbuh)said:“I have left you two things:the Book of God & my Sunnah; as long as you hold to them, you will never go astray: ”
Please see the sites:
http://www.islamicmoon.com
http://www.zaytuna.org
http://www.moonsighting.com
Jazakallah Khair
Khan

Mohammed
Mohammed
11 years ago

As Salaamu Alykum
First and fore most I would like say that there is no doubt that ICNA, ISNA and MAS are profoundly known to be the three major Islamic organizations of North America. To say that they are not Islamic is being ignorant. In these organizations exist some of the most influential scholars of Islam who hold vast knowlege on the religion as complete code for life. Through organizations as such Islam is being represented to main stream America Muslims and non Muslims alike. Through them many Muslims and non Muslims have come back to Islam in record numbers and have transformed their lives to live as Muslims in a more practical sense. Therefore their contributions deserves much thanks. As far as um al Qura us concerned , they are an organization created for the Islamic propagation amongst people of Saudi Arabia abiding by the rules of the kingdom. They too if given the chance to be political would have been. The first thing they would do is remove the kingdom that goes against the fundamental system of ruling a nation according to Islam. Organizations like um al qura and rabetal islam invite brothers and sisters from ICNA ISNA MAS to join conventions all year round and vise vers. Therefore if Um al Qura did not recognize the American Islamic organiAtions would they have invited them? And vice versa. So I ask the brother to get his facts straight.
Secondly saying that These organizations are political and not religious goes against the another fundamental belief of Islam because religion and politics are not separate. Rather politics is a part of Islam which is the religion. And if one analyzes the Quran and sunnah he or she will note that Allah swt did not give us Islam to be practiced as a religion. Which is why Allah swt says ” the only way of life acceptable to Allah is Islam.” where is the word religion in that sentence. Hence religion like wise politics are both components of Islam with all the other and neither defines Islam as a whole. Therefore These organizations are in a better possitionthan those of Saudi Arabia because they full all core component requirements necessitating them to be an Islamic organization. Where as organization like um al Qura are only fulfilling one and that is the Religious aspect.
Last as far as the siting of the moon goes for eid, I still think that rather the organizations giving their own oppinions, they should bring to the table all the major organizations in North America
and come to one agreement. Then only can we do Eid in a unifies manner. However that does not mean we will not have those brothers doing Eid on an exceptional day bexuase these brothers will never give up their stance no matter what. Mind you that most mosques In North America are controled by secular Muslims who for the most part have no knowledge about islam. The others are ruled by the salafis who want nothing to do with the practical life that Allah has blessed them with who like the secularist define Islam as a religion.
Qur’an and Sunnah are guides for us to live this practicle life so that we can work in all spheres to gain after life. With out this life you can’t get the other. So stop secluding your self in the religous part but expose yourselvea to the other parts of Islam. being part of a slice of the pie will not lead you to Janna.

Yousuf Badar
Yousuf Badar
11 years ago

Assalaam alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakatahu.
It is very unfortunate that we are divided on the lunar months. the main reason being that we have given up the habbit of looking at the sky for the moon. No one even cares of looking at the sky for signs of the start of month even though there is 100% chance of visibility. Those are signs from Allah.
One website of moon visibility is http://www.crescentmoonwatch.org/nextnewmoon.htm
This should give us a probability of visibility. based on this one can look into the sky for the moon. InshaAllah this should help us all.

Varnaud Shamsideen
Varnaud Shamsideen
11 years ago

Ramadan Mubarak! Being an American-born muslim, and having made the journey to al-Islam via the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, I find it amazing how many of us would seek to divide the Ummah! For years, and sometimes still, our brothers in the East have looked down upon us as less than righteous instead of embracing us. These organizations that everyone is speaking about were the only groups dedicated to furthering the cause and spread of Islam in the West! May Allah bless them to continue in their endeavors, and may He bless the rest of us with understanding their motives. Also, may He guide each of us to help unify, instead of divide, this Ummah!
As Salaam Alaikum

Yousuf Badar
Yousuf Badar
11 years ago

Use this to find out the days information of the moon and the sun.
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php

heraish
heraish
11 years ago

I support this decision by ICNA.

Mahmud
Mahmud
11 years ago

The Qur’an says hold unto the rope of Allah and do not be divided.
This is long over due, May Allah guide your effort.
Wasalaam

Iffaaz Salahudeen
Iffaaz Salahudeen
11 years ago

Salaams: I think, as a large organization, ICNA should stand firm on its policies and principles, and should work with other large organizations to bring unity, but without deviating from Qur’an and sunnah of the Prophet (SAW).
According to a Hadeeth, there will be a time, when Muslims will be majority, but those who follow the Sunnah will be afew.
In the name of Unity, are we neglecting the Hadeet about sighting the moon – complete 30 days, if it is cloudy? Whether we can see it or not; and cloudy or not, FIQH council and many others in the name of unity decided to have the Eidul Fitr on Sunday this year (2009).
I understand and I am for unity, but not ignoring Sunnah. Can’t we have unity by following the Sunnah- let FIQH council and ISNA go for the moon sighting and ask everyone else to join them for unity??

Abdel
Abdel
11 years ago

The issue is not with following Sunnah or even in The Unity because of the importance of the two. The problem is that there are many Hadeeth regarding it, that have slight difference, I know 2 hadeeth both are authentic hadeeth in which one of them specify 30 days for Sha’ban while the other state the 30 days but does not state which month it is.(Issue that there are people whom follow sighting the say that we need to see the moon,there are places in the world that moon can not be seen except after few days although the month would have already started by other Muslims, this might make conflict between Muslims).
Question: Should sighting by the -eye only- be followed or should we use technologies and maybe calculations to determine the start of the islamic month?

Dr yOUSA
Dr yOUSA
11 years ago

You must unite the community by making one decision NOT letting all the local communities to take their own decisions
Strange decision

Muqarrab Syed
Muqarrab Syed
11 years ago

We, as Muslims, should unite in accordance with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah. I think that the decision made by ICNA is very stellar. Following the Quran and Sunnah DOES NOT = lack of unity, as frequently argued. Unity amongst Muslims is more about standing together and embracing each other in good times and hard times, standing up as a community against the Fitna and accepting each other as Muslim Brothers and Sisters without clinging on to cultural and ideological barriers. Remember that the Sharia is flexible, not rigid as some unfortunately claim. May Allah grant all Muslims with His Blessings for all the good deeds performed during this wonderful month of Ramadan Kareem and Eid Mobarak to all.

Dr. Aboo Mannan
11 years ago

Assalamu Alaikum WR. I support your decision 100%, Alhamdulillah. But I have certain questions too. I agree on the name of UNITY we can not take any wrong decision “UNITY CAN NOT BE ON WRONG DECISION BASED ON WRONG OR BASELESS HADEETH”. And also regarding on Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Shah’s analysis on his book the bottomline drew the wrong conclusion that “when people gather in Arafat IS THE DAY OF ARAFAT” but if it is not on 9th ZIL HAJJ–> THAT IS WRONG. SO MOON SIGHTING IS IMPORTANT TO FIX THE DATE ” THAT IS QURAN. PERIOD”
Anyway, now my impression which I gathered is WHY NOT INTERNATIONAL SIGHTING???? IS THERE ANY QURAN/HADEETH FOR LOCAL OR COUNTRY BASED SIGHTING????
IF MOON IS SIGHTED ANY PART OF THE WORLD (AS WE CONSIDER ISLAM IS GLOBAL NOT TERRITORIAL AND OCCURANCE OF DAY AND NIGHT IS ALSO CYCLICAL GLOBAL ISSUE) THE EAST OF THAT SIGHTING IS THE START OF THAT PARTICULAR DATE AS SAME NIGHT STARTS EAST OF THAT AREA. (FOLLOWING MOONSIGHTING). SO WHY WE DO NOT TRY TO CONFIRM OF INTERNATIONAL SIGHTING AND THEN TAKE THE DECISION BASED ON AUTHENTICITY OF SIGHTING REPORT??
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM WRWB.
JAZAKALLAH WA KHAIRUN.
ABOO

Dr. Raza Khan
Dr. Raza Khan
11 years ago

So as I UNDERSTAND this:
IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR UMMAH TO BE UNITED than to follow the rules laid by Almighty Allah in Quran to sight the crescent.
IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR UMMAH TO BE UNITED than to follow and lead by examples of Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and ahadith where the prophet’s companion in Medina rejected the notion of Eid of a traveller as the traveller had sighted the crescent outside the city limits. I do not think the traveller was flying a jet but who knows he was really far and NOT local. Just wondering now, how long it will take a traveller to come on a camel from Ohio to DC … let alone from California to New York. So what is local???
In a nutshell, we do not need extremists to destroy our religion. We need to be ignorant and organizations to sadly shy away from helping Muslims be educated about the requirements CLEARLY SPELLED out in Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad.
Salam from Raza

Fazal Muneer
Fazal Muneer
11 years ago

As-salaam alaikum,
Dear Readers,
My concern is why ICNA & ISNA can not go side by side when the moon sighting situation occurs? other wise both ICNA & ISNA announces same statement other than moon sighting. it is oblivious, all Muslims look forward to follow either organizations (ICNA &ISNA), one brother lives in Illinois celebrating Eid ul Fitr on Sunday September 20th, 2009, and the other brother lives in New York has no idea when the local Masjid would announce for eid ul Fitr? no one knows yet? because they go with ICNA. This is really looks like a joke to others who follow general Muslims. May Allah guide us to be on right path.
Zajak Allah Khair & wishing you all Readers A vey Happy Eid ul Fitr!

sohaib
sohaib
11 years ago

I heard a brother once say something beautiful.
The prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam split the moon to unite the ummah and we split the ummah because of the same moon.
Allah knows best whats in our hearts.
May Allah guide us all. Ameen